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What would actually happen if everyone went vegan?

edited May 2012 in Being Raw

Ive thought about this for very long. As cool as it would be for everyone to go vegan what would happen? All the cows and chickens would have to die right? Theyre all so inbread that they couldn't possibly survive in their natural environment.

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  • there's no way everyone would go vegan overnight. so gradually as people would start eating less animal products, fewer would be bred. more sanctuaries might spring up, but chances are the die-hards would be eating those last animals and killing them.

    if people wanted to keep "hobby farms" so people would see what the breeds looked like, much like a zoo, they would. there's not a requirement that the breed die out. as far as the wild, most breeds would struggle because they have been genetically engineered to get too fat too fast and so forth. but you never know.

    i think it's a silly argument that meat-eaters make claiming that they are saving animals by eating them. not so at all!

  • The thought of everyone becoming vegan just made me SMILE.

  • Asgood as it sounds I think we need 3 to 6 times more earths. It's not possible, the produce produced today (even with very advanced technology) is not enough to feed the earth, Let alone via biological farming. To save the earth and become environment and animal friendly we need to be vegetarian (living on cooked beans and grains) but then we die of evil diseases (cancer,diabetics, heart problems etc.).

    Either way we die 8).

  • This is an interesting question, I've thought about it a few times but can never really settle on an idea. Would large areas return to wilderness when there's no market for farmed animals or their feed, or would land prices fall so low that people would snap it all up for their own use or pleasure? Would organic farming as it exists today still be possible without animal manure or blood meal? Would pharmaceutical companies go bust because no-one would want animal-tested products or pills containing lactose? Would doctors go mad with boredom having only injuries to treat? :)

  • It is absolutely possible to feed the earth. The amount of land being used right now for cattle, poultry, and hog farming (and other meat sources) is staggering. 30% PERCENT OF THE WORLD'S LAND SURFACE is being used right now for lthe livestock industry. That is over one-quarter of the globe. Livestock accounts for 70% of all agricultural land use. The amount of land being used to grow the corn to feed the cattle, chickens, and hogs is staggering. 760 million tons of grain is consumed every year by farm animals wordwide. That is estimated to be between ONE THIRD and ONE HALF of the world's edicle harvest per year. It's enough grain to cover the world's food shortage 14 times over. Almost one third of the world's fertile land is currently being used to grow feed grains alone. Reclamation of these lands alone would have a impact beyond your wildest dreams.

    Consider these excerpts from various articles:

    "According to the World Health Organisation (WHO) and the Food and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations (FAO), ‘the number of people fed in a year per hectare ranges from 22 for potatoes and 19 for rice down to 1 and 2 people respectively for beef and lamb’."

    "Livestock animals eat more protein than they produce. For every 1 kg of animal protein produced, animals consume on average 6 kg of plant protein, in the form of cereal and green fodder."

    "It takes more than 100,000 litres of water to produce 1 kg of beef and approximately 900 litres to produce 1 kg of wheat. You can take shower for one year with the water used for 1 kg of beef."

    "The U.N. has also identified the livestock industry as ‘one of the most significant contributors to today’s most serious environmental problems.’, including global warming, loss of fresh water, rainforest destruction, spreading deserts, air and water pollution, acid rain, soil erosion and loss of habitat.1

    That’s not all—70% of the deforestation in the once mighty Amazon; 64% of all the acid rain-producing ammonia; and 15 out of the 24 global ecosystems that are in decline can be attributed to the effects of livestock production."

    "The average meat eater’s diet requires fifteen times more water than a plant based diet. That means that switching to a plant based diet can save roughly 5 million litres per year.5 That's more water than you'd use for showers in two lifetimes!"

    And if we all went vegan, there would be no more slaughterhouses, meat/egg packaging plants, fur farms, leather farms or processing plants, public zoos, circuses, dolphinariums, puppy mills, exotic pet warehouses, game farms, rodeos - just think of the amount of land reclamation from the elimination of those space wasters alone?

    Have you ever heard of high rise/skyscraper/ vertical farming farming? http://mcorreia.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/high-rise-farming/

    One of the current high-rise farm blueprint designs would use 1.4 hectares, and feed 35,000 people from one building alone, producing the amount of food that would normally take over 4 hectares to grow.

    http://www.gearfuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/vue_nocturne.jpg

    http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2007/10/09/design-concept-of-vertical-farming_5810.jpg

    Reclaiming is also being used in many ghettoes and urban districts where abandoned, weedy lots and tiny dirt strips between buildings are being tranformed into community gardens. A number of schools as well have revamped to provide the lunches for the entire school population through large organic gardens grown right on school grounds and tended to by the students.

    Try to see the world in terms of space available for reclamation - ditches - miles and miles and miles of ditches!, meridians, city parks, spaces in front of professional buildings that are currently being used for decorative gardens, spaces in dentists offices that are being used for giant fish aquariums, spaces wasted with decorative city trees like pines which detroy the ground around them, spaces between the ballpark and parking lot, the yards around churches, the dirt fields in ghettoes and shanty towns... the world is overflowing with space!

    And the potential of rooftop gardening is absolutely phenomenal - think of all the buildings, apartments, fourplexes, supermarkets, rec centers, etc with flat rooftops - these roofs can be used for greenhouses and gardens.

    Parasite architecture - small buildings added onto the tops of already existing structures, provide more opportunities.

    http://www.pagesmagazine.net/self_service/gfx/forum/uploads/korteknie.jpg

    And if people had initiative, you can grow food in your house, on your porch/balcony/deck, in your garden, in your backyard, your alley.... but the biggest space available for reclaiming is the front yard! Almost no one uses their front yard, it's just for show. The amount of water, gas/electricity, and other products wasted on decorative front lawns is stupendous and ridiculous. America's lawn mania is beyond logic. Plus, five percent of air pollution is contributed from weedwhackers, lawn mowers, and leafblowers alone. Watch Lawns:America's Passion for Grass http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/lawns_americas_passion_for_grass/

    If the front yards in North America alone were reclaimed for gardening... wow, can you imagine the impact?

    SO TAKE HEART! It is possible, and eventually it may be forced upon the planet because at the current rate of pollution, land devastation, unsustainable industry, and ocean destruction, the human race may have no other chance to save itself in the next half century. It is predicted that at the current rate of ocean emptying and unsustainable fish farming practices, the fishing industry will collapse completely in the next forty years. By the way did you know that every farmed fish is fed three wil ocean caught fish in it's lifetime? So every time someone eats a farmed fish, they are actually consuming 4 fish.

    Some day veganism may be this world's only option for survival.

  • Regarding organic farming... if the world went vegan, we'd switch to veganic agriculture (also known as stock-free organic). Take a look:

    http://www.veganorganic.net/

  • And, just some more interesting info, from an EarthSave International poster:

    (They're free to print off, so you can hand them out, leave them places, tack them to boards, etc!

    http://www.earthsave.org/support/index.html

    They've got a bunch of other posters and info sheets as well)

    A ONE POUND HAMBURGER EQUALS:

    12 POUNDS OF GRAIN

    It takes 12 lbs of grain to produce 1 lb of hamburger. This could make 8 loaves of bread, or 24 plates of spaghetti. Grain consumption by livestock is increasing twice as fast as grain consumption by people. Cattle consume 70% of all US grain.

    55 SQ. FEET of RAINFOREST

    While not all hamburgers come from the rainforest, for every lb of beef, approximately 660 lbs of precious living matter is destroyed including 20-30 different plant species, over 100 insects species, and dozens of birds, mammals, and reptiles.

    2500 GALLONS OF WATER

    It takes 2500 gallons of water to produce 1 lb of hamburder. This could be used to grow more than 50 lbs of fruits and vegetables. HALF of all water consumed in the U.S. is used to grow feed and provide drinking water for cattle and other livestock.

  • That's true, but grains/beans have a very high calorie/m2 of land with normal raw-vegan food it's very low. So you need enormous amount of land just for the same amount of calorie's (grain and beans doesn't fit raw-vegan life style).

    (durian rider eat up to 200 kilo's of food a week, On my raw-vegan-diet I use to do up to 20+ kilo's/week now I use around 4 kilo's of raw meat a week and maybe 1 kilo of fruit)

    I think it's even. the food (or calories) we now give to animals to eat the animals or eat the food directly. That's why I think to save the earth we must all be vegetarian and eat cooked food, If we feed the animals grass and greens there is not enough land, cattle should eat greens. If there is not enough land for cattle to eat then there is barley enough land for humans to eat from.

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    "According to the World Health Organisation (WHO) and the Food and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations (FAO), ‘the number of people fed in a year per hectare ranges from 22 for potatoes and 19 for rice down to 1 and 2 people respectively for beef and lamb’."

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    Potato and rice doesn't fit raw-vegan diet.

    I agree with a lot of those figures but it's all based on cooked meat (totally useless, and you can eat a lot of cooked meat before your "full" on raw you need far less) and cattle that eat grains (as far as I know they should eat greens) and of course based on a vegetarian figures not raw-vegan. I don't think cattle needs a lot of water when it's in his natural environment.

    If we all want to be on raw-vegan (or on RAF for that mater) we need a lot of technology (and don't forget energy) to grow enough good quality food and then raw-vegan is more easy (but also impossible 8) ). I still don't think it's possible. The human race only grow so large because of the invention of eatable grains and beans. There is simply not enough land to be raw-vegan (or raf).

  • I think there are just way too many people. Even if a convenient way is found for everyone to be a raw vegan, we're still having a much too large impact on the world. What would we really miss if there'd be only 1/20 of the current number of people? (except the people who'd be gone, but let's assume we're not killing them, just not getting many new people). The majority of professions are scalable - if there are 90% fewer people, we need 90% fewer farmers, mechanics, soldiers, politicians, etc. Only things like science and art would suffer somewhat but there's relatively few people in those area's; the percenage could increase.

    Something different (assuming we stay with the same number of people). If everyone went raw vegan, I think we'd have need for a much smaller healthcare system. People would be more energetic and have greater mental clarity too. Imagina what we could accomplish as a species with all that extra power :-)

  • Greens would be a right not just a privilege...can you imagine getting a raw meal in a drive through window...?

  • IsisDC, that put a smile on my face! Drive-thru's are a busy mom's best friend, so it really sucks that there aren't any that are useful to me.

  • What would actually happen if everyone went vegan? Cows and Pigs would rule the world again!

  • The thread imagines if everyone went vegan, not neccessarily raw vegan. However, yes, actually, the land is so much more productive for grains than for animals, and for fruits/vegetables than for grains, that it is more than possible. I think it would be quite fine for the cows, chickens, goats, etc that were held in captivity to die of old age, which would allow the rainforest to grow back instead of being cut down for cows.

  • A, yes sorry I got the different diets mixed up. I meant raw-vegan or RAF is nearly impossible and cooked vegan is the way to save the earth. (vegetarians use milk and eggs only no meat sorry 8) ).

  • It's a really interesting topic and I'm impressed by all the info above. I especially like Deadly Steve's thoughts.

    There would be such a huge shift in people's jobs, daily lives, etc. it's quite difficult to fully comprehend just how different things would be.

  • I love raw and vegan foods, but am not a vegetarian. I was also wondering what whould happen if everyone ate a vegan diet, I came across this website recently and it answers part of that question: http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html

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