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Hi. I have noticed that we have some of the members here (myself included) feel that Sarah Palin is less than qualified to be next in line as president.

The PBS Poll is actually showing that people believe that Palin is qualified. Vote immediately, and pass this on.

Here is a small thing you can do in two clicks SECONDS! Check this out please and fast. PBS has a poll that asks: Is Sarah Palin qualified to be VP? It shows that more people are saying YES than NO!

Let’s turn this around…..

You don’t have to give your name or email address in order to vote. It’s very simple. Here’s the link: http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html



  • cheetah, I’d suggest not asking that question. I personally would like to stay out of any political argument since I’m in the vast minority on this site and it’s wise for you also. I know you’ve already gotten some friction and if you don’t want any more I would suggest you keep quiet.

    I posted here just to remind everyone why she’s got more yes than no and that’s all.

  • DoomBot- thank you for the link and info. Big “No!” ;)

  • Hey aspire, just wanted to say thanks for alerting kandace and ray about that troll thread. I didn’t want to thank you on there since that would have only brought it back up to the top:)

  • Thank you for telling us! I voted no.

  • I wouldn’t put too much faith in these polls, if I were you. Do you really think Obama and McCain are neck and neck? lol.:-P I don’t think so.

    The election will likely be rigged in the same way, and I’m expecting a McCain presidency. Not like it matters though.

  • troublesjustabubble:) You’re probably right but it so frustrating to not be able to get a single straight answer to an honest question. I hate feeling like just because I may be in the minority, I just have to shut up and slink away…. How can we come together as a country if we can no longer even have a simple conversation without vitriole?

  • I don’t understand why you guys are afraid of expressing your opinions. This is an internet forum. No one can spit on you. ;-P

    Remember: Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words from clowns on an internet forum will never hurt you.

  • kelvar-Yeah, but I’m not on this forum to get frustrated or catty. I’m here to learn and grow in my raw food journey.

    Cheetah-believe me, you won’t get what you want. The questions you want answered won’t be answered how you like them to be. It’s just how it is. You don’t have to “slink away” but don’t be offended by responses or name calling or any of that. You can’t complain if you ask for it.

  • I think you guys are ignoring the many many facts that people have provided in arguing against a McCain/Palin administration. I believe the primary argument is that the adminstration would not represent enough of a change from the Bush administration – which has been, in many people’s estimation – extremely destructive to this country, to other countries, and to our international standing. If you look at the other threads, you will see things such as McCain’s boting history on women’s issues, the war(s), economic regulations, and pork barrels. You will also see people’s opinions on what we know of each man’s character. What you will not see are any facts to back up Trouble’s repeated assertions that Obama is less experienced than Palin, despite the fact that he has been a state and national senator, a constitutional law professor at a top law school – making him an expert on the document and the laws upon which our government claims to be based, and a community organizer. During this time, Palin has accrued some experience – but objectively less than Obama. Where are your facts? It’s okay to just admit that you like her because she is an evangelical Christian, if that is the case, but if you are going to point to more objective standards, then you should strengthen your position by identifying the facts behind your claims. All said without spitting on anyone… So please stop acting like some kind of cowering minority every time someone asks you for more than a soundbite.

  • troublesjustabubble:), I’m here just to grow in general, and maybe help a few others grow along the way. ;-)

  • TJAB – no prob and you’re right about not mentioning it on that thread so it doesn’t feed him. :)

    Easy Cheetah- I can only speak for myself but I haven’t replied to your question because I have seen enough evidence to have a firm opinion about Palin and McCain and I don’t really care to take the time to go into the details of it all over again. Dems are not the only ones calling names and mud-slinging. You’re right. It’s not right by either side and two wrongs don’t make a right. Perhaps when I get more time and am in the mood, I will answer your question.

    On the flip side, JoyceH has repeatedly asked sincere questions to Palin/McCain supporters that she has not received any answers from, either, on the other thread.


  • This is the sort of thing I attempt to avoid but since I’ve already gotten into this thread somewhat I’ll go ahead and assert my opinion so you won’t think I’m a “cowering minority”.

    To give you the reason why I believe that Palin has more experience than Obama politically is because he is a junior senator and for the time he’s been in the US senate he has been required to vote with the party on every issue. Which means I can’t look at his voting history to see what he stands for. I can only take him on his word. I can look at Palin’s record(although you disagree with her on many issues I actually do agree with her on them) and see what she believes and can see she’s got her act together.

    Also, just for the heck of it I might remind you that I believe differently on what you call “women’s rights”. I’m pro-life. The point where choice comes it is when the woman chooses to use protection. But when there is new life involved I don’t think it’s her choice to kill it. To me, that’s not right.

    I respect your opinion and your right to have them and I can even understand them quite well. I agree that Bush has been a disappointment and I disagree with many of his choices. He was not the right person for the job.

    Now, that’s a start…..I’ve got more:)

  • I’m an anti-abortion, pro-2nd-amendment, anti-war, pro-gay-marriage, anti-death-penalty, free-thinking American.

  • You are arguing that Obama doesn’t have enough of a voting record – but that doesn’t go to your statement that Palin is more experienced. Those are different matters. Personally, Obama has a little less experience than I would like to see in a president, which is why I voted for Clinton in the primary. However, Palin has less years of political or scholary experience than any of them – in fact she has less than any other person who has been on the P/VP ticket in modern history. And the women’s issues to which I refer go far beyond the right of choice to issues such as equal pay guarantees. I wonder what you think makes McCain the right person for the job when Bush was not.

  • I’m with kevlar on all of the above!

  • jeez, i thought this place was pretty well enlightened. seems some just refuse to come out into the light. maybe reading a book or two (before they are banned by our next VP) would help.

    here is an article to start…


    it’s not about if she is qualified…george bush obviously wasn’t qualified. it’s about how she has abused her power once she has seized it. scary.

    who would force a rape vicitm to bear the baby of the criminal who raped her? ridiculous.

  • Oh yea… Another hot topic…. Dagny Taggart, JoyceH, aspire, meditating, and simply raw have already eloquently covered many of the issues and have (for me) substantiated reasons why I would not ever vote Mc/P. I know that the political game is dirty, but I can’t stand how bloody hypocritical Palin is. She is a republican pawn trotted out at the last minute in hopes of claiming the votes that would have gone to Hillary.

    “Abstinence-only Sex Ed.” is a proven failure.
    It’s even proven in her own family and yet it’s OK for everyone else. It’s the ‘above the law’ attitude inherited from the current administration.

    McCain & Palin do not support women. And I’m not talking just about the right to choose (so please don’t preach to me about abortion).
    Neither supports equal pay for women for equal work or (forgive me Kevlar I know that you don’t like to hear about it, but…) letting a woman have a choice if she is raped... which incidentally happens 4x more frequently here in the good ol’ USA than it does in Germany…

    • In the United States, 1.3 women are raped every minute. That results in 78 rapes each hour, 1872 rapes each day, 56160 rapes each month and 683,280 rapes each year.
    • 1 out of every 3 American women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime.
    • The United States has the world’s highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics. It’s 4 times higher than Germany, 13 times higher than England, and 20 times higher than Japan.

    John Lennon once said (in reference to how poorly women are treated universally) “Woman is the nigger of the world”. Well, it looks like that is the case worldwide. And thanks to Palin we can go back to “go”.
    Well, women are just plain evil anyway aren’t we? All goes back to the fairy tale with the apple doesn’t it?

    Furthermore… McCain even admitted that he doesn’t know much about the economy, that he’s out of touch with the people. His wife spent $300,000 on a freakin’ dress! OK it’s her choice, but holySCHEISSE batman is that f’ing decadent and sickening!!!!!

    Sorry, but Mc/P in the White House would be a travesty. Good Bye to even a teeny semblance of Middle Class. We are teetering so close to a real depression with the latest Corportate Welfare payoff to Lehman.

    Sure wish I stayed in Germany when I had the chance…

  • If a woman is raped, she can take a morning-after pill, greenghost.

  • Kevlar – the lucky ones maybe… the ones that have the presence of mind (or real support) after going through that kind of violence… but come-on do you honestly think that choice will exist under Mc/P????

    As it is now there are some states in which pharmacists have refused to sell customers birth-control pills because it goes ‘against their religion’!!! This has already happened to some women! Do you think that a ‘morning-after’ pill would be lighter on the pharmacist’s conscience?
    RELIGION is FASCIST when used like that.
    Good grief each day my agnosticism drifts ever closer to the atheist side when I see what people do in the name of “Religion”.
    The Mc/P administration will probably outlaw the Morning-after Pill along with Birth control pills.
    But I bet Viagra will still be legal.

  • lol Greenghost re Viagra. The morning after pill does two things – tries to prevent contraception and also keeps an embroyo from implanting in the uterine wall. the second thing is – according to religious right – akin to abortion b/c it happens after contraception. Also, women do not always seek help immediately after a rape and in time for a morning after pill. but I guess that’s just their problem, right? And Palin is pro-death penalty. That’s not murder….for what reason? How many people have been put to death who were later found cleared of charges?

  • I didn’t say that McCain or Palin were good, I just said that abortion is wrong.

    And, yes, the idea of contraception by abstinence is nuts.

    What you have to understand is that whatever the ones in charge want to do (and I’m not talking about the president or the congress) will be done. If they don’t outlaw birth control pills this time around, they’ll just wait until after Obama leaves office and do it then. If Obama does win, they’ll probably work on raising our taxes to 60% and giving us crappy universal healthcare, on par with the service we get at the DMV. The “Republican” part of their agenda will have to wait until next time, when the population gets frustrated again, and decides to vote for something “different.”

  • Thanks DagnyTaggart. You’re right many women do not get the morning after pill immediately after a rape. Too many of them are in shock of what happened. Not too many people can have presence of mind when they have been a victim of violence. But that fact is, sadly, not readily comprehended by people who have not been victim of a violent attack.

  • Kevlar... I am not (and I’m sure most women aren’t) enamored with abortion either. I don’t like to kill anything, but I don’t believe that much good comes from force in either direction.
    I know that no matter how I explain it there will be people that disagree.
    I just think it’s wrong to make it a law. The ones who will suffer the most are the poorest of the poor…and their babies are going to suffer…
    I don’t think that a law will even decrease the amount of abortions happening.
    It is not a real solution.
    Maybe if we spent less $$$$ on waging WAR and practicing Corporate Welfare… We would be able to solve more of our problems on the home-front.

  • I agree with you there. If everyone were educated about birth control, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

  • Yeah… politics in general is insanity… and I too fear the ‘man behind the – political – curtain’.... whoever it is does not love people

  • Okay, guys! Enough on the abortion topic.

    Pro-Life … Pro-Choice …

    You know what… In my opinion neither one are a good solution to the problem!

    But there are other, issues at hand and to discuss about both and all the candidates.

    I really do enjoy hearing everyones point of view… we are all educated individuals with a voice. To me that is what makes this site (GR) Awesome. We can come here and express our thoughts/voice our opinions.

    Abortion….there are other factors involved when this subject is to be discussed.

    Some people are Pro-Life and that is there choice. Some people are Pro-Choice and that is there choice.

    But what happens when there is no choice…. what happens when a baby has high-drops….meaning the skin is pushing away from the babies body, toxins are forming, it becomes deadly. Deadly not just for the baby, but deadly for the Mother (who by the way, so much wants this child).

    Let’s talk hypothetically….So, Pro-Life becomes law… what about this Mother? She currently has a loving husband and child. But since something has gone wrong during her 5 month pregnancy; she has no choice. I mean she did all the healthy things a Mother should do.

    But now..She must die with the child she carries. Because this is Law.

    My point being…there other issues to discuss about all the candidates.

    And we should all remember, we all have rights to believe what we want. We all beat to the beat of our own drum. We all have a path to walk, try not to judge without walking the path.

    Greenghost voiced it well, when she posted this…

    We’ve all had and will have challenges in our lives. I’d like to quote Plato as a reminder to all of us: “Be Kind for Everyone You Meet is Fighting a Tough Battle”.

    I am just trying to say I respect all your thoughts and opinions, but can we get off the abortion bus and discuss other issues.

  • Yeah simplyraw I too feel that there is no good solution to the problem. for reasons I stated above…. and I didn’t even mean to get into it (again). Suffice to say (and repeat if need be) that making a law is not a solution. It is not. Education is the solution. One day our society may have evolved to that point, but we obviously have a long way to go I guess….

  • simplyraw wrote: “Let’s talk hypothetically….So, Pro-Life becomes law… what about this Mother? She currently has a loving husband and child. But since something has gone wrong during her 5 month pregnancy; she has no choice. I mean she did all the healthy things a Mother should do.

    But now..She must die with the child she carries. Because this is Law.”

    Even Palin supports abortion when the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother, but yeah, on to other topics.

  • Gosh…the first day of autumn…. and look at that…I must have eaten a bad apple.

    Sorry Guys…somethings you just have to get things off your chest. I was just trying to make a point. You can beat a dead horse all you want, but it is not going to change anything.

    Greenghost – I fully agree!

    Kevlar -

    I really respect the information you post. And your response is correct. Maybe a bad choice on my part. Not to bring back up, just to respond…

    I am was just saying there are other factors involved. There are always consequences. But if possibly passed, we could be looking at repeating history. In the since…the use of coat hangers, having someone kick you in the stomach, bad doctors performing illegally and unsafely, etc.,etc.. Okay…I am officially off that bus.

    Any ideas or food for thought on the other issues??? What about the U.S.A. Titantic that just hit a financial iceberg. (as of today only allowed to withdrawal maximium of $200 out of bank account)

    Any food for thoughts…42 days until election and counting. It is becoming very unnerving!!

  • doombot -

    I voted “No”!!!

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