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I'm vegan for health reasons. Any kind of meat screws up my digestive system big time. maybe reading this will help you a little bit
http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm
My main food is fruit, but sometimes I stray a little bit and add a piece of ezekiel bread. I do have raw milk or raw butter in very small quantities, but that's just a little treat. it's not really part of my diet. I feel best when I eat lots of fruit, and some salad. That's when I have best digestion, energy, and level of thinking.
I am vegan for moral reasons. Raw for health reasons. I have been raw long enough now that eating cooked anything really messes up my system. I love raw, it has saved my life and can't imagine eating any other way!
health + philosophical + moral reasons :)
I dont believe in supporting a flawed system (the modern "farming" system) so I am mostly vegan--and raw for health reasons. However, my friends raise chickens (freerange, organic, and the like) so I'll have a raw egg yolk once in a while to keep my B12 up, as I believe supplements are mainly for undoing past damage.
I am a raw vegan for all of the 3 reasons: animal rights, health, and the health of the environment.
ethics. their health comes before mine, and it will always be like that. environmental reasons come next, and then comes health.
It makes me feel amazing!
and also because I know I could live to be 150 on the raw vegan diet. :)
I feel so much better physically & psychologically. Also, it helps give me more energy for my runs.
There's no such thing as a health vegan, since veganism is a lifestyle, NOT A DIET, that expands to yoru clothing choices, personal-care items, and household cleaners even.
so obviously I'm vegan for ethical reasons.
Some people eat a plant-based diet for health reasons. This is not veganism.
Hey, Lyn, do you have any way of measuring that there is B12 in the eggs? Have you seen what she feeds the chickens? Most chickens are SUPPLEMENTED (which you say you are against) B12 in their feed since it's not in the soil anymore. Also, it's my understanding that it's better absorbed sublingually as a supplement. How long have you been ovo-veg? Have you ever had your levels checked (when and what diet), etc? Just curious. If you don't want to answer here, I understand!
By the way, Kurite, I'm vegan for ethical reasons but raw for environmental and health reasons. The killer energy is great. I had awesome energy as a cooked & raw food vegan but this is even better. :)
vegan for ethics. great health was a pleasant side effect.
Hey, superfood2. I dont know exactly what she feeds her chickens, but I know she makes it herself. And I'm not AGAINST supplementation, per se, just think its better to get your necessary nutrients from food--unless, like I said, you are undoing past damage. I've been ovo-veg for about 4 months now and raw for one. I'm interested in whatever imformation you have to offer! I'm flexible with my views as long as there's enough (relative depending on topic) logic behind what I'm being told!
As far as me personally and supplements--I frankly dont think there's THAT much damage to undo as I have been fed an mostly organic, perhaps 30%raw, low-meat/dairy diet my entire life; and now that I'm 15 I'm taking it to the next level. Who knows, though? Mabey I could find a couple supplements out there that would be useful to me!
Oh, and I havent had my levels checked--as because of my age I dont have as much choice in ordering routine procedures.
also I think the biological diet of humans is similar to that of chimpanzees, high fruit, greens, and raw plants intake, which are very alkaline, while meat and dairy (even raw) are acidic. The ancient paleolithic thing for meat being our biological diet is not a crazy idea, there is a lot of confusion about that I think. The thing is that I feel like I have more mucus if I add meat into my diet. It makes me feel full in a very uncomfortable, bloated way, even just a few tiny sample size pieces. It also fogs up my brain. Fruit feels cleaner, and more generally promoting sense of well being. As far as minute quantities of meat, I think that if minimal amounts are included in the diet then one wouldn't do any worse without any of it at all. I guess it all depends on what you feel is the most cleansing, rejuvenating, longevity-promoting way to go. and killer energy ain't a bad thing either :)
PS lyn you might benefit from a strong probiotic and digestive enzyme. these two are top notch for cleansing. I tend to take probiotics as my daily regiment because fruit that isn't freshly-picked loses a lot of probiotics that are living in/on it. But I agree in general food is the best source of nutrients.
Lyn, I'm not knocking your choice to not be vegan! You have to do what's best for you. But I wonder about the safety of relying upon eggs for B12 when you don't know if the eggs even have it, and if you can absorb it if they do. I think it's a safe(r) bet to take a sublingual B12. But that's just me. I wouldn't eat eggs regardless because I don't use animals.
Good for you for your choices and upbringing! That's pretty cool. :)
Thanks, superfoods2. I'll look into the B12 content--because if they didnt contain it I probably wouldnt eat them anyway.
It's a strange thing because it's hard to tell with eggs - every chicken was fed something different and had different conditions, stressors (or not)......
Dont they also have the teeth and claws for it?
Hey Lyn just so you know although chimpanzees are pretty much fruitarian they actually do eat meat, although its a very small portion of their diet they eat it whenever they can get it. Also grass-fed eggs contain much more naturally occuring b12, if you want to read an article about them here it is.
http://www.healthy-eating-politics.com/organic-eggs.html
And how do we know any animal products we eat have b12 if the soil has been depleted? Mabey we need to supplement because we messed up the earth so much. Obviously this is just specualtion as I haven t studied b12 in depth. Some more information would be appreciated, thanks!
Im not sure about the claws but chimps have larger k9 teeth and other differences and although it may be for meat some people believe that they actually use it to fight other chimps for mates.
B12 isnt created by plants, its created from friendly bacteria, and when chickens eat high fiber diets from grass they have more of these beneficial bacteria in there body and naturally have more b12 eggs
Thanks! I heard mushrooms exposed to sunlight directly after they've been picked produce b12. Is there any truth to that? Also, If it's produced by friendly bacteria, wouldnt our own intestinal flora do the trick?
I wonder where the B12 amounts were checked, though. When you go to the store, you have a container which says a number (let's assume it's accurate). When you get it from a friend, they may have been fed "great" or "healthy" grass or maybe not. Maybe their particular chickens are deficient.
I know I can get B12 without harming or exploiting animals, so it's moot for me. I'm just engaging!!!
I think part of the reason why we don't produce it or enough of it is our antiseptic present-day conditions. Or so I was told.
Sperfood2, where do you get your b12 without animals? Where do the supplement get it? Thanks!
I recommend anyone, even omnivores, getting B12 from a sublingual source, as it's shown to be best absorbed, and when people have deficiencies, it's usually an absorpability issue, NOT a consumption/supplementation issue.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=sublingual+methylcobalamin&aq=0&oq=sublingual+methy&aqi=g4g-m1
I prefer this one: http://www.vitacost.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methyl-B12
Yeah, we're missing out on our feces. :p :)