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Login Here Signup Here Signup using FacebookIf you’ve been floating around the posts, I, who is the biggest skeptic on 80-10-10 am giving it another go with humor and I hope some bit of dedication. It is a little fun at the end of the day (thanks to www.nutridiary.com) to tally up my day. I must say i was dying on day 1. I got maybe 2 hours sleep last night from my last cacao high so i dragged all day despite all this fruit. At the end of the day, i don’t want to see any more fruit. My only added fat was 1/2 an avo on a humongous green salad (lemon juice only) at the end of the day. I’m still over 600 cals short, but I seriously can’t eat anymore. day 1 question: I ended up at 79% fruit carb, 5% protein and 10% fat and 6% alcohol (had to have the 2 glasses of wine…it’s made from fruit and it has no fat?) The question is-how do i up the protein without upping the fat? I ate an entire clamshell of lettuce and 1/2 a clamshell of spinach-still not enough protein! What I felt? Pure misery until that big green salad. I might have to move the greens to the 3pm meal. Tomorrow should be a better day as long as I sleep.
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I tried experimenting with 80 10 10 a couple months ago. Found it really difficult. The whole theory seems to make a lot of sense, but I had a lot of trouble consuming the huge amount of fruit needed to get the calories. I started loosing more weight. 5’3” and down to 92 lbs. I just didn’t want to loose anymore. I did notice that my digestion seemed better with 80 10 10. It’s hard to find tree ripened fruit I wonder about how healthy it really is to eat such huge amounts of fruit that’s picked unripe. I’ve read if it’s not picked ripe it could be missing a lot of nutrients. It does seem like the most natural diet for man but we’re just not living in a very natural world anymore and so many fruits are so hybridized. It would be wonderful if we all had a variety of fruit trees growing in our yards. I guess some people are lucky enough to have that. It sure sounds like some people really thrive on 80 10 10. Don’t mean to sound negative or discouraging . I’d even like to give it a try again sometime. Just not ready to try it right now. I’ve also been told by some other knowledgeable people that my body is overly acid and that eating all that fruit would make me more acid and contribute to inflammation. I’m still really confused about the whole acid/alkaline thing. Sorry about all the rambling. As far as upping the protein maybe some green juices could help as a source of easily assimilated protein. Not sure if green juices would be an acceptable part of an 80 10 10 diet. I ran into the same problem as I think I’m a body type that needs more protein than some and also I’m a Vata/pita ayruvedic type. Would love to hear more about your experiment.
hi what IS 80 10 10? i have no idea :P
Limelady, i just wanted to mention you seem to be at least a stone, maybe more, underweight for your height so its very good that you dont want to lose more, dont want you fading away on us (hugs)
dodo-80% carbs from fruit, 10% raw protein, 10% raw fat. It’s all outlined in a book by Dr. Douglas graham entitled “80-10-10”. Day 2 and i feel like crap. I woke at 3:00am with bug dreams and had trouble going back to sleep. I have a nasty headache. MOTH- on the exercise-I just didn’t put all that boring stuff down here, but i’ve been logging it on Nutridiary and I did get surprisingly close to my 1200 cal burn yesterday, 1 hr of Pilates and 50 min on the eliptical, plus walking the dogs. i was surprised. Off to the spin bike now.
lzhpt,
I just wanted to add that 10% protein is the maximum amount of daily protein. It’s totally fine if you don’t make this number…In fact, I’ve never hit 10% eating 80/10/10. The most I’ve gotten is around 8%. Usually, I’m between 5-7%.
Also, great job on all the exercise. Being active will really help you to detox quicker. Make sure you get lots of sleep and sunshine, too! :)
Swayze :)
The whole 80-10-10 thing sounds more like a burden to me than anything. I admire those that can do it, it takes A LOT of discipline. My lifestyle is too busy to even attempt it. I am sure it’s super healthy for you, but in my world view I believe our days are numbered anyway but we can take steps to be more healthy and enjoy our time here, but something like this for me would just cause me pain. Raw was really hard for me to get into to start with and I am finding is still hard to maintain. Then again meal preparation would be much easier with this ;)
i am curious how one measures out daily food so that it’s 80 10 10. Do you split it up equally with each meal, or do you eat all the carbs in the morning, protein and fat later? Do you estimate or use actual calculations? I just know that I would mess this up lol!
Moth thank you for this long post.I am on day four, after nine 811-days followed by a little pause (not enough calories, i was craving fats). Now by reading you I feel like living a week 3!
Chicory, all fruits contain about 90/5/5 ratio naturally so finally the daily intake is easy to measure, just complete with a bit of nuts or seeds to rise the fat and protein ratio but this is not necessary, and lots of greens for protein and nutrients.
Swayze I was a little concerned about the protein part, difficult to achieve a 10% so it is ok with less, thank you. For how long have you been on 811?
Caleb, 80/10/10 is actually very easy to maintain. I go to the supermarket 2x per week and spend no more than 15 minutes inside (that’s including the line wait). As far as food preparation, it’s virtually non-existent. Bananas require no preparation at all. I guess juicing oranges could take a little while, if you juice them by hand. But of course, you could always eat them whole. :)
Chicory, it’s very simple. Say you eat 3 meals a day. Your first meal could be peaches as much as you need. Lunch time could be bananas and then dinner could be a dinner salad prefaced by grapes. The goal here is to eat as much fruit as you care for so that you are not rummaging around in the kitchen an hour later. Also, you do not have to eat greens only for dinner. I often eat them for lunch with my fruit meal. Fat, however, should be eaten last so that it does not interfere with the sugar from the fruit.
superpapaya, I started last November with a few minor slip-ups (mostly chips and salsa). I stayed 100% for 5 months this year…until I went on vacation. ;) Basically, I’ve been working my way back to 100% for the past couple of months. :)
Swayze
Oh you guys!!!! I’m in such a slump! Swayze-Sleep? What’s that? Sunshine? Haven’t seen any for 4 days. My body is saying “Go to bed!” I want coffee! I haven’t seen the stuff in more than a month, but I’m thinking about it! I don’t want to eat today. i made one of those sick 4 banana,2 date 1/2 a clamshell of spinach smoothie at 9:30 and I’m still bloated at 4:00 pm!!! Caleb-a burden is an understatement. I’ve been raw for 2.5 years and i feel exactly how i felt when i first went raw, BUT I kept my coffee then and it helped me get through this dragging. This nagging headache has not left all day. I’m really trying to prove to myself that I can do something new, that maybe I shouldn’t knock something i haven’t tried. See picture? That was happy me. Now? :( Happiest fruit i know is figs so I’m going to have some now. Maybe i’ll hit the 500 cal mark? I’m going to need to inject this fruit ‘cuz I’m too tired to chew! :( :( :( Whining…Thank you for your support! In typical LZHPT fashion, I set out on this journey thinking I wouldn’t even mention I was doing this. Glad i did because i need you now! Many thanks. Chicory-I use an online food diary called www.nutridiary,com. It’s very easy and creates these little pie graphs not just of the %s, but of my nutrient intake as well. It’s a neat little tool if you are a visual type.
Well… good luck with the figs’injections and the end of the day. The dates might be too much, mixed with banana, well it would for me.
Better start again when you feel good, no?
Seems you are detoxing, which is good!
Yeah. I’m not combining two really sweet fruits again. That was just gross. I know I’m detoxing. I remember it well. never thought i would detox after being on raw foods for so long. I’m glad it’s the weekend. I’m better after the figs. no more headache and a little more energy.
Monofruit meals are the best! can sound boring but after a while it comes naturally. Now I only mix fruits when one doesn’t taste very good, and I am careful with the combinations. I have learned from bad experiences too :)
Thanks. I’m now feeling the old lzhpt returning! I made a great dressing from 2 sundried tomatoes, 1/2 c tomatoes, 1/2 clove garlic and 6 basil leaves along w/ 1/2 a lemon, juiced. Oh I LOVED that salad. Things are looking up! I finished the day at 70-5-10 and 6% alcohol from my glass of wine. Still ending the DAY 500 short on the kcals. I learned something interesting today-when I didn’t want to eat, I ate those figs and BAM! An hour later my digestive fire returned and I was hungry. I’m feeling spunky! Thank you MOTH for your savory insight.
dodo, Thanks for the hugs. Today I weigh 98. I exercise a lot and have a fair amount of muscle so to me I don’t think I look too bad or too thin. Just don’t want to go any lower. I know I eat way too much fat (lots of nuts, nut butters, avocados etc) but it just doesn’t seem to stick to me.
Just wondering what people in more northern colder areas eat for fruit in the winter time on 80 10 10. I just don’t think I’d be willing to eat a lot of imported non organic fruit and wouldn’t it be somewhat lacking in nutrients. Are you able to find enough variety?
I think I’ll just stick to being regular raw for now and maybe try 80 10 10 again next summer. I’m really impressed though by those of you who are successfully doing 80 10 10. I’ve got to get more disciplined with just being raw and over-coming my food addictions.
this has been an interesting thread for me. Im super curious about 80/10/10 and have tried to limit my fat intake, but on the days when i eat fruit and salad only i start craving sweets, like baked goods, so intensely that i binge on cooked food. I feel a bit out of control. I went 92 days w/o food but I cant make it one day on 80/10/10. I feel great and lite starting the day and into the afternoon with it, but i just hit a wall in bad ways in the late afternoon. whats that about?
MOTH – I’d like to hear about what you’re eating during the winter months and what’s working for you. I’m in New England too and can sometimes find some organic imported fruit. Usually quite expensive though. One Stop & Shop in my area has had organic strawberries year round at fairly reasonable prices most of the time. I’ve pretty much been eating them everyday for the last year but don’t think I could afford them in the amounts I’d need to eat for 80 10 10.
Bubbaw6 – I know what you mean about hitting a wall in the late afternoon. This has been happening to me every day. For me I think it’s related to stress at work. The stress just drives me to want to eat and crave all kinds of fatty starchy things or sweets, and sometimes results in some really bad choices.
IZHPT, your body says get to sleep? GET SOME SLEEP! Listen to what your body wants, not craves. Coffee is definately a craving. If your addicted, your craving. As far as the headache, those are just symptoms of “toxima”. Which is pretty much the fact that your body is full of toxins, and since you’ve changed your diet to the best way possible (my oppinion), you can finally work on getting those toxins out. The toxins blast through your bloodstream, most passing through the brain, and then out through the detox process. As they pass through your brain, a swelling occurs; thus producing a headache :)
Don’t be alarmed. IT’s completely natural part of the a healing process.
Your body needs sunshine, fresh air, pure water, rest to heal itself. Hmmmm, notice something? Doesn’t all of that make you feel best when your sick? Makes sense.
Anyone that doesn’t know about this link check it out: www.rawfoodexplained.com
It’s time to say bye bye to your alcohol! Don’t worry, it’s possible. I’m a former brewer, I loved beer. I loved the ingredients, I loved the brewing process, and most of all, I loved the final product. I haven’t had a beer in three months, nor have I wanted to after researching the effects on alcohol.
Good luck on your journey!
Live Love Peace
Limelady- Hot seasons you want juicy fruits (melons are best) so you can get a lot of water. Cold seasons you want high packed calories to keep your body warm. Banana’s are a great fruit for this. Large banana’s average 100 calories, and are very cheap :)
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As far as “hitting that wall” in late afternoon. I use to have that feeling and all I wanted was starchy things also. Hmmmm, what are these starchy things made up of? CARBS! High packed carbs- full of calories. Your body knows it needs carbs and calories for fuel and it use to getting it from starches. In the beginning, if you need an extra meal to get you to your right amount of calories, have an extra meal. Your stomach will soon stretch and you will be able to contain what you need in a day for just three meals. Then one day, your body will be able to consume whatever the needs are in just two meals.
Favorite words from DR, food is fuel. If you need fuel, feel free to eat. DO NOT GRAZE! Grazing causes digestive acids to constantly be pumped through your body to break down food. This will ruin our digestive track, and cause over acidic blood.
Red sox? You from the boston area? I’m from the northshore.. (MA that is)
TOL-I have lived in Danvers, moved to Winchester for most of my kid years. After getting married, we lived in Needham and then Norfolk before moving to Atlanta 11 years ago. Still die hard Red Sox fans. Boston will always be home for me. To update you on my 8.1.1, I am really sick of fruit and I’m rapidly getting sick of salads as they don’t have any taste. Nothing tastes good. Even my glorious figs taste like poo to me because I have to eat so many of them. I don’t like this way of eating. I’m hesitant to put any fat in (avo) at the end of the day because it causes all that fruit to fermment (even gave it a good 3 hours before I had the fat on my salad) and I ended up with horiible gas that even made the dogs leave! I’m having problems with snacking as I cannot go longer than 3 hous without feeling too hungry and I cannot get down more than 4 bananas at one time, nor do i want to! i don’t want to see sweet fruit today. No banana, no pineapple, no dates, No mango. Maybe I’ll just listen to pears and grapes today. Oh, this is sooo boring! I need a recipe!
if you have your fats after your fruit they will not ferment. It’s only if you eat them before hand. There have actually been studies that show that your stomach can digest in layers. I don’t know how far the studies go, but I do know that has been studied. Don’t worry about that. What did you eat for fruit, that could have combined wrong. Or maybe your last meal wasn’t digested. Sliced mangoes (base) with raspberries smooshed (topping) is a delicious meal. It helped me during my transition period. Also, tomatoe and mango is my favorite dressing ever. I don’t use dressings anymore because I love the taste of all of my food, including greens, so there is no reason to cover it up.
The simpler the meal the better you feel….
Good morning!!!! I really have turned a corner. I got a great night sleep last night, scarfed down a pound of strawberries and hit the greenway for a 6 mile run on this gorgeous,sunny fall day-a perfect temp. of 62 deg. Saw some of the ol’ marathoning pals. No headache-that left yesterday, some muscle aches still. TOL-I totally embrace detox and after nearly 3 years regular raw, I remember it well and this too shall pass. I think it has already. I’m keeping the wine for a bit (a single glass) until my body tells me to get rid of that like it did with the coffee. It will, but for now it fits in the 80-10-10 plan. I’m not meeting those cals, though I easily could’ve chowed down another pound of greens with that wonderful dressing last night. I just got tire of chewing. All hail celery! GO RED SOX!!!!!
lzhpt – I did 811rv for over 6 mos. Early on I felt amazing! Then I started to consistently be fatigued… my moods began to ease towards an extreme level of irritability. I don’t advocate this style of raw by no means. I believe fruit is highly important but I certainly do not agree with the mass consumption that 811rv preaches. I honestly believe the excessive simple carbs can lead to mental distress (read beyondveg.com as a genuine source of information – granted it is opinionated as is any literature about nutrition/health… including 811rv). I also became weaker the longer I stayed with the idea of loads of fruit. I feel the need to explain myself here. While I had ‘energy’ due to the loads of a sugar I was putting into my body, I felt general muscle fatigue and not nearly as strong. I could go longer with cardio but when attempting to build muscle the fatigue sat in very quickly. Anyways that’s just my two cents. If it helps, great! If it’s ignored no biggie, lol. Wish you the best on your journey!
seize-it really helps. Thank you! This is my second go at the 8.1.1 and I’m trying to understand the irritability. All I can figure is this (and getting a physical therapy degree does entitle me to this much i know): You might need all that fruit for energy, but all your nerves (connections) are wrapped in myelin (fat). It’s those connections that require the fat! What good is having all this brain fuel if you are also not providing for the journey—synapses, connections. There is so much clarity for me eating regular raw and none eating 8.1.1. Now that said, i do believe there are many of you who thrive on this kind of diet, but I must blaze my own trail (never been one to follow anyway). I gave it 4 committed days. That’s enough. I have learned some things that will be welcome in my raw practice, but there’s no conviction, no confidence in this for me. Every time I see DR and many of the people in the advertisements for Dr. Graham’s “retreats”, I think they all look very unhealthy. Too thin, pale, thin hair, etc. I know nothing about these people. They may well be recovering from disordered eating or a major health problem. Nonetheless, I don’t aspire to look that way. I like my muscles. I also like my fingernails not to shred, which is what they’ve been doing the last day or so. Anyway…not for me. I would like to thank TOL and MOTH for encouraging me in the most positive way. I truly mean that. Continue your journeys. I’m going to soak some sunseeds for my favorite savory raw burgers!
Thank you, MOTH. Kiss, kiss.
Good try IZHPT, I say you didn’t give it long enough :) but that’s just me. Have a beautiful, healthy life my friend! Maybe I can see you sometime on the northshore! Let me know if you ever come back home…. BTW… checkout www.shudupntrain.com
edit: sorry about all of the posts, my computer lagged out and I was not patient and clicked the save reply button a lot :)
Hi lzhpt
You say you have been raw for 2.5 years, and you were happy.
Can i ask what your diet was like before trying the 8-1-1. Im trying to go 100% raw and have been fruitarian and 100% few months ago and now i am eating mostly raw with some cooked vegan food.
Im would love to know the way you were eating to stay raw for so long and be happy doing it .
Paulie.