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Definitely Not a Palin fan

Thank you JoyceH for posting “Please watch this video”:
http://goneraw.com/forums/6/topics/8034
I had heard about Palin rewarding bounty hunters for bringing in wolf paws that the hunters had cut-off.
It is disturbing at best.

While Sarah Palin’s attitude towards animals is reprehensible her whole stance on the environment (and other issues) is abhorrent.

She is also blatantly against women’s rights…. she is such a discredit to her gender it’s not funny… Even charging rape victims for the forensic rape-test kits.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/8/20552/56…

I wish I were able to be at this rally in Alaska….
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/14/alaska…

Some of my fav quotes from the above mentioned rally:
“I vote with my brain not my gender”
and
“There is nothing that Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin share except a chromosome!”

Palin is a woman who hates women – just like Bart Motes penned in his article in the Huffington Post.
Now there’s a real twist on misogyny.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-motes/sarah-...
this one by Erica Jong also tells it like it is:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erica-jong/not-th…

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  • hmmmm interesting….
    I didn’t think you liked this forum beany....
    If it is not to your taste – feel free to not read it.

    BTW—Whatever happened to the Separation of Church & State?

  • “IF” he won, I would be digging a cave, load it up with food and stay there for 4 years. He is just to scary for me!I have a hunch we will have terrorists armed in America like they are in Israel. I know call me an alarmist, but the people of Germany wanted great change, too, and they got Hitler. Course I am not comparing the two as one. Just that the people jumped out of the pot into the fire!

  • There is no such thing as Separation of Church and State,. True tho, I am jumping off this forum. Just wanted you to know my thoughts. Chow! To the “food for thought” much more pleasant.

  • Beany- “Thou shalt not kill.” Just curious- are you against people killing animals- hunting, sport, for the wearing of their skins, the killing of baby calves for people’s taste in veal, etc; and are you against the death penalty?

    Do you get most of your information from the mainstream media: tv, newspapers, and magazines and/or friends who get theirs from those places then? I can’t help but feel sad that the whole fear-mongering of the Republican Party (and I am not affilliated with any one party, btw) seems to have had its targeted affect on you- instilling such fear-based thinking that you believe terrorists would be overwhelming us.

    P.S. “They” did NOT start the war! Where do you get your info from, because it sure isn’t the facts.

  • beanyplease do your research. It was not Iraq that started the war. If you are talking about 9/11 it was – FYI – a terrorist from Saudi Arabia named Osama bin Laden.
    As we discuss this issue from the comfort of our homes our troops are dying or suffering from injuries that many will not recover from. Check it out for yourself:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_…
    Frankly I don’t see how B & C can sleep at night.
    BUT I must congratulate them for filling you with so much fear.
    That is how they control people.
    Interestingly enough that is how Hitler (who you brought up) did it too.

  • beany – your opinions are respected and you have a right to state them..Some of us may totally disagree with you while some will support you. Isn’t that the beauty of free speech?

    Personally I feel sad about abortion, for the mother and baby. I don’t think anyone (republicans or democrats) want to ‘kill babies’. I don’t think the decision is ever taken lightly and I believe many women feel desperate and have no choice. I’m sure it’s an agonizing decision for everyone involved. I do hope that the underlying causes like poverty and unemployment can be addressed. I support policies that will help decrease abortion rates and support mothers with newborn babies. But I don’t think making it illegal will solve the problem. Some women will go up to Canada or have them done in unsafe environments. I hope someday this country will address the UNDERLYING causes of abortion by helping to reduce poverty and create more livable wages. Tax breaks for wealthy individuals and corporations are not going to help struggling women…..

    and as we’ve seen so far: the ‘trickle down’ economic policies of the current administration are not working but destroying this country in every possible way…beany I honestly don’t think this country will make it through another 4 years of the Bush administration policies…housing market crisis, huge banks and brokerage firms collapsing, record high spending deficits, record high oil prices, historically weak dollar, a war financed by China, etc,etc…..And to think that McCain who admits to being computer illiterate and unable to type emails could be our next president. That’s frightening!! He has supported Bush in every possible way so what is he going to do that is so different??...don’t you think your/our kids and grand kids deserve a bright future or at least a shot at it?

  • JoyceH- well said!

    Beany- I hope you realize your opinion is welcome here and is respected as just as valid as any others’. In the end, I truly believe we all want the same thing: peace and prosperity for ourselves and all.

    We simply need to become willing and open to recognizing that we cannot create prosperity amongst our country if we are fighting amongst and dividing ourselves. We are not seperate from each other, nor from our Earth. What we do to each other and our planet, we do to ourselves individually also.

    I feel Obama has a much higher probability of bringing about a true change in attitude and moving away from an old, outdated, archaic, and proven-losing paradigm of thinking- the seperatism that has led us into this situation we are miserably flailing around in now, ready to be sucked under if we do not learn from our past mistakes and transcend the shallowness, greed, and fear-based thinking.

    *And abortion will take care of itself as the the underlying root causes of it are addressed, as JoyceH already pointed out. Making it illegal does nothing to address and solve those underlying causes. We’ve got to start thinking in the big perspective, not myopic-based thinking.

  • I know the topic is not about abortions, but just wanted to say…I agree. I do not think making abortions illegal is the answer either. JoyceH put it very well!

    In regards to abortions, there are those rare occassions where they do have to take place for health reasons. I am not refering to down syndrome. Sometimes things can happen to the babies that become very toxic and deadly for the mothers. An example would be something like high drops.

  • I just want to say that a true Christian does not claim that the life of the unborn is sacred, while screaming for the blood of foreign babies. It doesn’t work.

  • Alright, I was leaving. In the 30’s my mom had an abortion She wasn’t married. To make her life better she murdered my sister or brother. I had a 4 month tube pregnancy burst on me. Oh, that I could have protected that child. I would have given my life to save her/him, but they didn’t know what was wrong with me until I was under the knife. The doctor said it was just a bloody blob. That bloody blob was my child. Tho I do know one thing, I will one day see my sibling and my child as will every mother. Believe it or not. I guess I should mention I am not afraid of O Bama. It would be a log day in January when I became afraid of any man. I am just cautious about him. Not my cup of tea, as one may say. I am truly off now. Oh yes, how do you like the Stock Market Problems? How do you think this will help the elections?

  • Lol! Have the Republicans put a Democratic spin on being the cause of it now? The Stock Market Problems have been a long time coming. Have you researched The Federal Reserve- who really owns/controls it, how it came to be, who ultimately gains from it, how it truly works? It is both parties’ fault and everyone’s. The greedy men and people who installed and masterminded it, and us Regular Joes who were too complacent to think for ourselves and insist on understanding how our gov’t truly works and keeping it working for us and not the elite few.

    Again- part of the old parardigm failing way of thinking and acting.

    The positive thing to come from all this old paradigm/thinking is that we are being forced to recognize what doesn’t work in order to find better solutions and ways of living that DO work for the prosperity of ALL Earth’s people and inhabitants. It can be done. It’s bigger than just our little piece of the world, too.

  • beany I’m sorry for what you have suffered. Really.
    But I do agree with aspire & JoyceH & everyone else who believes that Obama/Biden will do a much better job at representing our nation.
    McCain himself has even stated that he is:
    “divorced from the day-to-day challenges people have”.
    .....
    We’ve all had and will have challenges in our lives.
    I’d like to quote Plato as a reminder to all of us:
    “Be Kind for Everyone You Meet is Fighting a Tough Battle”.

  • greenghost – that was well voiced!!!

    I wish we all went around daily refering to that quote.

  • MeditatingMeditating Raw Newbie

    One aspect of the abortion issue that I didn’t see mentioned yet is that freedom of religion ceases to exist when legislation is passed based on a specific religious belief.

    If a woman’s spiritual beliefs lead her give birth to every child she conceives, regardless of her circumstances, she is not controlled by the religious beliefs of others under current US law. If a woman has no objections to abortion and finds herself in the difficult position that leads her to make that decision, if she is denied that option then she is forced to bear a child because of the religious beliefs of others. She has no religious freedom. If you enjoy your religious freedom, why would you want to take it away from someone else?

    The desire to control women in this way without supporting a means to eliminate the underlying reasons they consider or choose abortion indicates that the “value” of life begins at conception and ends at birth. It is stunning to find that women, who are people, have no merit in the equation when in conflict with a fetus, which is only a potential person. How is it that a potential person has more rights than a being whose personage should not be in question? What does this say about the value of women?

    On another note, if the government can make the decision that women cannot have an abortion, how is their authority any different when the pendulum swings and they begin forcing women to have abortions? Imagine how much worse it would be when women are forced to abort children they want. Today, some of us may not imagine it to be possible but if we keep contaminating our environment and choosing the welfare of large corporations over our people, such as securing our food supply, that day is coming.

    Lastly, if women don’t want to get pregnant they shouldn’t have sex! I love when someone finally admits their motivation. If you pay close attention to these religious arguments, the root belief is that forced pregnancy should be the punishment for bad girls who have sex. Women should be denied any of the innate pleasures from a sexual relationship because their only legitimate role in our society is limited to their wombs.

    I suspect the reason that we take such issue with the radical, fundamentalism in the Middle East is not that we are so different but rather, like it or not, we are very much like them. As societies progress and change, those changes scare many people who insist we should go backwards in time. We have a population in this country that wants to see our citizens living under the christian version of the taliban. That movement also started with the oppression of women.

    Toms Mom, I agree. I am always amazed at the audacity in thinking that the value of life depends on who you target for death. It is revealing that most, although not all, people who want to outlaw abortions, and the political party that claims to be pro-life, are zealously pro-death penalty and pro-war.

  • Meditating – You never cease to amaze me. Your voice of wisdom always tends to blow me away!!

  • Meditating- ditto on SimplyRaw’s above post :)

  • Beany- I am sorry for your pain and hurting you have felt and still feel for the loss of them.

  • Meditating~ I do believe you would make a Great Debater!!! Hope you haven’t missed your calling… LOL Great Job and very well expressed!!! Couldn’t agree more!!!

  • I am neither Rep. or Dem., but I just have to say that many a negative thing can be said about Obama/Biden as well.

    Being pro life doesn’t automatically mean that person is anti-woman. Sheesh… there’s a whole lot of judgement going on in this thread…

  • Thank you aspire. I really have two children waiting for me. I should have mentioned that my mom never got over having an abortion. When she wasn’t a Christian or when she was. She was a mother who lost her child, and she realized it was preventable.By the way, I have a cousin who is about 10 years behind mentally. In the place where she lived they gave her a hysterectomy. My aunt signed the papers because of strong scare tactics and threats. When she was mentally old enough to leave, she got married, had a good job but no children. Forced abortion does go on in America. I have two other cousins one born at 5 1/2 months and the other born at 6 months. They are now in their 50’s. Would you call them a potential person? When will they just be a person?.... If some one murdered my child or even raped her, I would say yes, to the death penalty. It is scripture, we all live by something. I made my choice. Others like there choice, but I choose life for those who have no vote,who can not speak for themselves. I am sure my sibling would have chosen to live, and not be put to death…..Those who would try to take away my freedom and the freedom of my family is war in my mind..War will always be on this earth. There are to many hateful, greedy people not to. I just pray the free countries will always win the outcome. Hum, I hate to use the word win. Death and destruction on either side is not winning. But this is freedom. Being here is freedom.

  • Hi Raw Sarah. I didn’t know we were judging. Guess I better shut my trap. It is always flapping. Must be age and experiences in my life. Yep, age. Good night.

  • Wow.. using the Huffington Post, or DailyKos as reliable sources is akin to quoting from Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh. No thank you to both extremist propaganda sides.

    This from Camille Paglia on Sarah Palin:

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/09/10/...

    If Sarah Palin tries to intrude her conservative Christian values into secular government, then she must be opposed and stopped. But she has every right to express her views and to argue for society's acceptance of the high principle of the sanctity of human life. If McCain wins the White House and then drops dead, a President Palin would have the power to appoint conservative judges to the Supreme Court, but she could not control their rulings.

    It is nonsensical and counterproductive for Democrats to imagine that pro-life values can be defeated by maliciously destroying their proponents. And it is equally foolish to expect that feminism must for all time be inextricably wed to the pro-choice agenda. There is plenty of room in modern thought for a pro-life feminism—one in fact that would have far more appeal to third-world cultures where motherhood is still honored and where the Western model of the hard-driving, self-absorbed career woman is less admired.

    But the one fundamental precept that Democrats must stand for is independent thought and speech. When they become baying bloodhounds of rigid dogma, Democrats have committed political suicide.

  • Joyce, I am interested in what books Palin has tried to have banned? I always fact check claims from both sides whenever crazy hysterical mass emails come through to me. I check at www.snopes.com and www.politifact.com

    Politifact says that whole book banning thing is a “liar liar pants on fire” claim. Never happened. It is the same type of lie as the “Obama refuses to pledge allegiance” lie was.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/persona…

  • Rebecca Ann Coulter is a joke. Arianna Huffington is not a humanity-hater (like AC) and I share Al Franken’s views on Rush Limbaugh.
    I’m sorry that the Huffington Post, Daily Kos, and Crooks & Liars rub you the wrong way. Then again you are probably just so used to the Right Wing Controlled Mega Media (which aspire pointed out on page 1) that it may be difficult for you to recognize blogs From the People – Blogs that bring up Real Issues that are happening in the US & The World instead of the self-serving Republican slant on important matters we constantly get via Mainstream Media (like Fox5) as well as the nearly constant barrage of idiotic fluff about Vapid Starlets.

    PS: Thank you Meditating – I agree with and appreciate your very articulate post above.

  • Greenhost, I am not a Republican, btw. The political extremists, and hacks on BOTH sides rub me the wrong way. Rhandi Rhodes, Ann Coulter, Al Franken, Rush Limbaugh, etc etc etc. Not an honest one among them. They are hateful, mirror images of each other. What I will NEVER do is pass on an email that is a lie, just to cheer for “my side”. I always make a point of checking the facts with unbiased sources, like the ones I mentioned above. I hope we can all agree that snopes.com and politifact.com are unbiased sources.

    I like to stick to the honest news, when I can wade through the slant, and I make my decision from there. Frankly, I will be voting third party, yet again.
  • Rebecca – Palin didn’t try to ban books. As I said in another post, she inquired about banning books (which to me still very frightening).

    Palin was interested in getting the book “Pastor, I am Gay” by Reverand Howard Bess off the Wasilla library bookshelf. She has cleary made it aware that she is against same sex couples being allowed to marry and have the same human rights as heterosexual couples.

    The librarian was then fired because Palin didn’t feel like she had the librarian’s support. Due to public outcry, the librarian was reinstated.

    You can google and do your fact checks. The McCain campain even admits to Palin asking the librarian how she would react to attempts at banning books. Although Palin DID NOT try to ban books, she certianly scared a lot of people with her inquiries.

    And the fact that Palin openly opposes gay marriage would be another reason I have ill feelings against her (I’m married and straight). I just feel in this mordern day and age, everyone should have EQUAL RIGHTS. I don’t understand how the church/bible can dictate who a person can love and marry. Jazus, it’s not the 1950s anymore….

  • Hey, in response to your response to Beany. “They” did start the war by A. attacking our country at 9/11 B.disobeying the UN and C. killing millions of innocent people.

    I’m not going to stay on this thread since I know I’ll just get beaten down but I would like to say that I am a Palin fan.

    You preach about not hurting the animals and all that but you DO know that Obama loves meat. So don’t cut down Palin for that. Killing babies is worse that killing animals. No matter what stage the baby is killed it doesn’t matter since if it wasn’t killed it would have become a person.

    I think this thread is going to divide the people on this site and that makes me sad. So I won’t be returning to it.

  • Yes, sadly most of the world are meat eaters and I do respect peoples choices of food. Obama is not perfect….. But I don’t see Palin as one who would be super supportive of laws protecting animals in factory farms or any animal rights.

    Like I said before, I respect everyone’s opinions and I think everyone else posting as been civil and respectful. Doesn’t mean we all have to agree.

    troublesjustabubble, like I said above, NO ONE wants to kill babies. But I do hope that the next administration addresses the underlying causes of abortion and helps those that are struggling and impoverished in this country.

  • Meditating – your post way up there now said everything I was thinking far more eloquently than I have time to type.

    If I hadn’t already figured out who I was voting for, this post would have made up my mind. There is one issue that has always been a deal breaker for me and that is woman’s right, especially the right to choose. I can not support any delegate who would tell me I do not have sovereignty over my own body. Whether I choose to exercise my option or not should be up to me, and I certainly should not have to deny myself sex if I wanted it either. Nor should I be forced to carry a child to term if I was raped. It still amazes me in rape cases the woman who was raped is usually depicted as “having asked for it” for whatever reason.

  • One thing the Palin issue is doing is dividing our country even more. I can’t stand the woman, but I wish our country would focus on the real issues like the economy which has been taking a nosedive since the idiot Bush was elected and re-elected. Just yesterday McCain said that our economy was sound, then changed his mind a few hours later. What economy is he living in? Not mine! BTW, Palin has a lot of dishonesty in her, as we have seen in the news. Her visit to Iraq? Not true. Her disagreement on the Bridge to Nowhere? Only after Congress cut off funding. Pathetic! I know it’s risky to talk politics on a message board about raw food, but I feel like raw food is also about being wholesome and living simply which to me doesn’t justify ethics and morals we’ve seen out of Republicans any time recent. Also, it’s hard to find people locally who agree on similar issues. I live in a Republican county. I can’t believe people are not embarassed to have McCain stickers on their bumpers! Don’t they read the newspapers? McCain will make our economy even worse as he is promising tax cuts for the largest corporations. I could go on and on…..but I’ll stop here for now….

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